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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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  Do you have a similar pair of undamaged diodes in the other channel? &lt;br /&gt; If you, you can take them out and test whether they are Zeners, like this: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;10k &lt;br /&gt; &#160; + --------/\/\/\/\--------- &lt;br /&gt; &#160;9v battery &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#124; &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;--- &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; ^ &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#124; &lt;br /&gt; &#160; - ------------------------- &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;That will &#160;drive about 1 mA through the &#160;diode (actually a &#160;tad less). &lt;br /&gt; Then put a voltmeter across the diode. &#160;It will read the Zener voltage &lt;br /&gt; (if &#160;under &#160;9V). &#160; With the diode backward, &#160;it will read &#160;the forward &lt;br /&gt; voltage, which is 0.6 V for silicon and 0.3 V for germanium. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Or you &#160;could trace the &#160;circuit. &#160; Is &#160;this an amplifier stage with 2 &lt;br /&gt; diodes and 2 power transistors? &#160; If &#160;so, &#160;the diodes &#160;are part of the &lt;br /&gt; bias voltage circuit, &#160;and are forward &#160;biased to produce a &#160;0.6 &#160;volt &lt;br /&gt; drop per diode. &#160;I&#039;d try ordinary &#160;1N914 or 1N4148 &#160;diodes in place of &lt;br /&gt; them... &#160;probably close enough. &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; Michael A. Covington &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;http://www.ai.uga.edu/faculty/covington/ &lt;br /&gt; Artificial Intelligence Center &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &lt;&gt;&lt; &lt;br /&gt; The University of Georgia &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Unless specifically indicated, I am &lt;br /&gt; Athens, GA 30602-7415 U.S.A. &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;not speaking for the University. &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have a similar pair of undamaged diodes in the other channel? <br /> If you, you can take them out and test whether they are Zeners, like this: <br /> 
<p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;10k <br /> &nbsp; + &#8212;&#8212;&#8211;/\/\/\/\&#8212;&#8212;&#8212; <br /> &nbsp;9v battery &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&#8212; <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; ^ <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; | <br /> &nbsp; &#8211; &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-  </p>
<p>That will &nbsp;drive about 1 mA through the &nbsp;diode (actually a &nbsp;tad less). <br /> Then put a voltmeter across the diode. &nbsp;It will read the Zener voltage <br /> (if &nbsp;under &nbsp;9V). &nbsp; With the diode backward, &nbsp;it will read &nbsp;the forward <br /> voltage, which is 0.6 V for silicon and 0.3 V for germanium.  </p>
<p>Or you &nbsp;could trace the &nbsp;circuit. &nbsp; Is &nbsp;this an amplifier stage with 2 <br /> diodes and 2 power transistors? &nbsp; If &nbsp;so, &nbsp;the diodes &nbsp;are part of the <br /> bias voltage circuit, &nbsp;and are forward &nbsp;biased to produce a &nbsp;0.6 &nbsp;volt <br /> drop per diode. &nbsp;I&#8217;d try ordinary &nbsp;1N914 or 1N4148 &nbsp;diodes in place of <br /> them&#8230; &nbsp;probably close enough.  </p>
<p>&#8211; <br /> Michael A. Covington &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="http://www.ai.uga.edu/faculty/covington/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ai.uga.edu/faculty/covington/</a> <br /> Artificial Intelligence Center &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;&gt;&lt; <br /> The University of Georgia &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Unless specifically indicated, I am <br /> Athens, GA 30602-7415 U.S.A. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;not speaking for the University. </p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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  In article &lt;480dp6$1...@nic.smsu.edu&gt;, &lt;br /&gt; Lin Shawn R &lt;srl9...@nic.smsu.edu&gt; wrote: &lt;br /&gt; &lt;p&gt;&gt;I&#039;m trying to rebuild the amplifier stage of a Pioneer bookshelf stereo &lt;br /&gt; &gt;which blew nearly every component in the Right channel (except for the &lt;br /&gt; &gt;electrolytics... went as far as to blow the preamp transistor too). &#160; &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Anyhow, there are two tiny diodes, smaller than the typical small-signal &lt;br /&gt; &gt;diode you get at Radio Shack, I think they are only 3mm long. &#160;I&#039;m not &lt;br /&gt; &gt;sure what kind of diodes they are, one has a black stripe and some &lt;br /&gt; &gt;illegible writing and the other has a blue stripe. &#160;Do the stripe colors &lt;br /&gt; &gt;mean anything or do I have to derive some other method to figuring out &lt;br /&gt; &gt;what they are? &#160;How would I go about figuring out what they are anyway, &lt;br /&gt; &gt;resistance? &#160;diode check mode on a DMM? &#160;Derive a zener regulating &lt;br /&gt; &gt;circuit? &#160;Check voltage drop? &lt;br /&gt; &gt;-- &lt;br /&gt; &gt;Shawn Lin &quot;Knock softly, but firmly. &#160;I like soft, firm knockers.&quot; &lt;br /&gt; &gt;srl9...@nic.smsu.edu 1-417-883-2169 &gt;sli...@mail.orion.org &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;ao...@detroit.freenet.org &lt;br /&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;If this amplifier has discrete output transistors and the diodes are &lt;br /&gt; mounted on their heat sink, they are probably there to maintain a constant &lt;br /&gt; voltage between the output transistor bases and thus cut crossover &lt;br /&gt; distortion. &#160;These are plain old Si diodes, though there may be several &lt;br /&gt; connected in series inside one case. &#160;This gives a higher forward-bias &lt;br /&gt; voltage drop. &#160;You&#039;ll probably need a schematic, but if I were desperate &lt;br /&gt; I&#039;d replace them with small-signal Si diodes and then check for crossover &lt;br /&gt; distortion. &#160;If this isn&#039;t your amp, be sure to solder an &lt;br /&gt; appropriately-sized fuse in series with each speaker line so the customer &lt;br /&gt; doesn&#039;t wreck it again by short-circuiting the speaker lines. &lt;br /&gt; &#160; Your signature quote isn&#039;t as funny as you think it is, and it&#039;s &lt;br /&gt; offensive to some people. &#160; &lt;br /&gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;M Kinsler &lt;br /&gt;
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In article &lt;480dp6$1&#8230;@nic.smsu.edu&gt;, <br /> Lin Shawn R &lt;srl9&#8230;@nic.smsu.edu&gt; wrote: <br /> 
<p>&gt;I&#8217;m trying to rebuild the amplifier stage of a Pioneer bookshelf stereo <br /> &gt;which blew nearly every component in the Right channel (except for the <br /> &gt;electrolytics&#8230; went as far as to blow the preamp transistor too). &nbsp; <br /> &gt;Anyhow, there are two tiny diodes, smaller than the typical small-signal <br /> &gt;diode you get at Radio Shack, I think they are only 3mm long. &nbsp;I&#8217;m not <br /> &gt;sure what kind of diodes they are, one has a black stripe and some <br /> &gt;illegible writing and the other has a blue stripe. &nbsp;Do the stripe colors <br /> &gt;mean anything or do I have to derive some other method to figuring out <br /> &gt;what they are? &nbsp;How would I go about figuring out what they are anyway, <br /> &gt;resistance? &nbsp;diode check mode on a DMM? &nbsp;Derive a zener regulating <br /> &gt;circuit? &nbsp;Check voltage drop? <br /> &gt;&#8211; <br /> &gt;Shawn Lin &quot;Knock softly, but firmly. &nbsp;I like soft, firm knockers.&quot; <br /> &gt;srl9&#8230;@nic.smsu.edu 1-417-883-2169 &gt;sli&#8230;@mail.orion.org </p>
<p><a href="mailto:ao...@detroit.freenet.org">ao&#8230;@detroit.freenet.org</a>  </p>
<p>If this amplifier has discrete output transistors and the diodes are <br /> mounted on their heat sink, they are probably there to maintain a constant <br /> voltage between the output transistor bases and thus cut crossover <br /> distortion. &nbsp;These are plain old Si diodes, though there may be several <br /> connected in series inside one case. &nbsp;This gives a higher forward-bias <br /> voltage drop. &nbsp;You&#8217;ll probably need a schematic, but if I were desperate <br /> I&#8217;d replace them with small-signal Si diodes and then check for crossover <br /> distortion. &nbsp;If this isn&#8217;t your amp, be sure to solder an <br /> appropriately-sized fuse in series with each speaker line so the customer <br /> doesn&#8217;t wreck it again by short-circuiting the speaker lines. <br /> &nbsp; Your signature quote isn&#8217;t as funny as you think it is, and it&#8217;s <br /> offensive to some people. &nbsp; <br /> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;M Kinsler </p>
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