In article <3128878F.6…@werple.mira.net.au>, Steven Reddie <s…@werple.mira.net.au> writes:
|> Sorry for the shouting.
|>
|> Could we please stop cross-posting (yes I know I just did it
|> as well). I think that most of us probably read most of the
|> sci.electronics.* hierachy anyway, so why read the same messages
|> half a dozen or more times.
|>
|> Each of these groups has a certain charter, so is it too much to
|> ask to keep posts in there relevant groups. For example, I’ve
|> seen posts in sci.electronics.cad asking for info on repairing
|> electronics equipment. Those post would be better off in
|> sci.electronics.repair (though they were there as well, it’s
|> just that they were posted to all sci.electronics.* groups).
|>
|> I hope that we can cut down the duplication of messages since it
|> would make this service much more productive.
|>
|> Thanks,
|>
|> Steven
|>
|> P.S. Can any flames be sent to my mail-box and not these
|> newsgroups. We may as well avoid clutter as much as possible.
NO, WE CAN’T *STOP* CROSSPOSTING, but it could be cut down.
I used to read sci.electronics religiously for a few years. A couple of
years ago, there was a lengthy discussion about splitting it. I was
adamantly opposed to splitting, and my biggest reason was that since every
electronics question could not fit neatly into one of seven catagories, you
would have a tremendous amount of crossposting. And I was right, if I do
say so myself.
I recently re-subscribed to several sci.electronics.* groups to ask a question.
My question concerned mouse protocols. I crossposted it to .design, .equipment
and .misc because my question could easily fit into any one of those catagories
and I wanted to ensure that it got the largest possible audience that may be
able to answer it. No, I didn’t post to .cad, .repair, .basics or .components,
because, except for possibly .components, my question certainly did not fit these
groups. But I did find it necessary to do some crossposting.
Well, I’ll just go ahead and get it over with. I TOLD YOU SO!!!!
Randy Casciola
Steven Reddie (s…@werple.mira.net.au) wrote:
: Sorry for the shouting.
: Could we please stop cross-posting (yes I know I just did it
: as well). I think that most of us probably read most of the
: sci.electronics.* hierachy anyway, so why read the same messages
: half a dozen or more times.
No. Most questions are appropriate in more than one groups.
As a side note, I was one of those who vehemently opposed
splitting for this exact reason. We have to live with it.
Smart readers, BTW, should handle crossposting.
IMHO, the mouse protocol question belongs on comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware or
one of the similar ngs.
Randy Casciola (r…@CS.CMU.EDU) penned:
: In article <3128878F.6…@werple.mira.net.au>, Steven Reddie <s…@werple.mira.net.au> writes:
: |> Sorry for the shouting.
: |>
: |> Could we please stop cross-posting (yes I know I just did it
: |> as well). I think that most of us probably read most of the
: |> sci.electronics.* hierachy anyway, so why read the same messages
: |> half a dozen or more times.
: |>
: |> Each of these groups has a certain charter, so is it too much to
: |> ask to keep posts in there relevant groups. For example, I’ve
: |> seen posts in sci.electronics.cad asking for info on repairing
: |> electronics equipment. Those post would be better off in
: |> sci.electronics.repair (though they were there as well, it’s
: |> just that they were posted to all sci.electronics.* groups).
: |>
: |> I hope that we can cut down the duplication of messages since it
: |> would make this service much more productive.
: |>
: |> Thanks,
: |>
: |> Steven
: |>
: |> P.S. Can any flames be sent to my mail-box and not these
: |> newsgroups. We may as well avoid clutter as much as possible.
: NO, WE CAN’T *STOP* CROSSPOSTING, but it could be cut down.
: I used to read sci.electronics religiously for a few years. A couple of
: years ago, there was a lengthy discussion about splitting it. I was
: adamantly opposed to splitting, and my biggest reason was that since every
: electronics question could not fit neatly into one of seven catagories, you
: would have a tremendous amount of crossposting. And I was right, if I do
: say so myself.
: I recently re-subscribed to several sci.electronics.* groups to ask a question.
: My question concerned mouse protocols. I crossposted it to .design, .equipment
: and .misc because my question could easily fit into any one of those catagories
: and I wanted to ensure that it got the largest possible audience that may be
: able to answer it. No, I didn’t post to .cad, .repair, .basics or .components,
: because, except for possibly .components, my question certainly did not fit these
: groups. But I did find it necessary to do some crossposting.
: Well, I’ll just go ahead and get it over with. I TOLD YOU SO!!!!
: Randy Casciola
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In message <31288B99.2…@werple.mira.net.au>
Steven Reddie <s…@werple.mira.net.au> writes:
> As an additional note, when you post a reply to an article,
> check the newgroups field that your reply will be sent to. Some
> people cross-post to 20-30 newsgroups. Delete the newsgroups
> that you think are irrelevant. If the poster was on one of the
> irrelevant newsgroups, then they’ll miss the reply but they
> shouldn’t be posting there in the first place. You can always
> send them a private reply in addition to posting it to the
> relevant newsgroups.
> Don’t get me wrong. I’m not preaching that this is the right
> way to go (though I think it is). I’m mearly suggesting it.
> It’s obviously up to you all to do what you think it right.
> Thanks again,
> Steven
Admittedly, some points dont fit into neat slots easily. Maybe we
should avoid those who do ridiculous crosspostings, those who post to
whole gamuts of groups.
While we are talking of iritations, I get annoyed at those who for
one reason or the other cannot come up with a title for their
posting! Surely if its worth writing it needs a title. I simply
delete these now, without even reading them.
Another point, last week someone went so far as to ask in this group
why there was no software for woodworking in electronic.cad.
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david.wise…@zetnet.co.uk
David Wiseman
Ilford Essex England
Sorry for the shouting.
Could we please stop cross-posting (yes I know I just did it
as well). I think that most of us probably read most of the
sci.electronics.* hierachy anyway, so why read the same messages
half a dozen or more times.
Each of these groups has a certain charter, so is it too much to
ask to keep posts in there relevant groups. For example, I’ve
seen posts in sci.electronics.cad asking for info on repairing
electronics equipment. Those post would be better off in
sci.electronics.repair (though they were there as well, it’s
just that they were posted to all sci.electronics.* groups).
I hope that we can cut down the duplication of messages since it
would make this service much more productive.
Thanks,
Steven
P.S. Can any flames be sent to my mail-box and not these
newsgroups. We may as well avoid clutter as much as possible.
As an additional note, when you post a reply to an article,
check the newgroups field that your reply will be sent to. Some
people cross-post to 20-30 newsgroups. Delete the newsgroups
that you think are irrelevant. If the poster was on one of the
irrelevant newsgroups, then they’ll miss the reply but they
shouldn’t be posting there in the first place. You can always
send them a private reply in addition to posting it to the
relevant newsgroups.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not preaching that this is the right
way to go (though I think it is). I’m mearly suggesting it.
It’s obviously up to you all to do what you think it right.
Thanks again,
Steven
If we would just put an end to the ‘Win95 boots in 3 seconds thread’
that would take care of about 95% of them. Well, except the thread
that is about to start!
— sam
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r…@CS.CMU.EDU (Randy Casciola) writes:
>In article <3128878F.6…@werple.mira.net.au>, Steven Reddie <s…@werple.mira.net.au> writes:
>|> Sorry for the shouting.
>|>
>|> Could we please stop cross-posting (yes I know I just did it
>|> as well). I think that most of us probably read most of the
>|> sci.electronics.* hierachy anyway, so why read the same messages
>|> half a dozen or more times.
>NO, WE CAN’T *STOP* CROSSPOSTING, but it could be cut down.
>I used to read sci.electronics religiously for a few years. A couple of
>years ago, there was a lengthy discussion about splitting it. I was
>adamantly opposed to splitting, and my biggest reason was that since every
>electronics question could not fit neatly into one of seven catagories, you
>would have a tremendous amount of crossposting. And I was right, if I do
>say so myself.
>Well, I’ll just go ahead and get it over with. I TOLD YOU SO!!!!
Well, so did I, and *several* other sci.electronics regulars.
Don’t see any of them now as often as I did back before the split.
Can we get a vote started on rmgrouping all sci.electronics.* groups
and re-create sci.electronics???
Frank
Told you so.
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Most of the crossposting is not about topics relevant to several of the
newsgroups. How many articles have you seen in sci.electronics.design et al
asking for the best free schematic capture or PCB layout package, a question
better asked in sci.electronics.cad. Then there is the big thread about
dongles also better restricted to sci.electronics.cad. I supported the move
to multiple newsgroups because I was sick of wading through several hundred
articles every day asking what the value of this resistor was or what some
basic electronic component did. There was a very high noise to signal ratio
in the old newsgroup. The structure of the new newsgroups make sense. Maybe
what we should be doing is making the move to moderated news groups and for
common questions like the one about the best schematic capture program have
areference to a FAQ.
Garry Allen
gar…@hypertec.com.au
Hypertec Research Pty Ltd
Unit 4 112-118 Talavera Rd
North Ryde NSW 2113
Australia
In article <4gac7j$…@nntp5.u.washington.edu>,
sza…@saul6.u.washington.edu (J. Szamosfalvi) writes:
>No. Most questions are appropriate in more than one groups.
Then cross post those to the appropriate groups, not to all groups!!!
Steven Reddie <s…@werple.mira.net.au> wrote:
> Sorry for the shouting.
> Could we please stop cross-posting (yes I know I just did it
> as well). I think that most of us probably read most of the
> sci.electronics.* hierachy anyway, so why read the same messages
> half a dozen or more times.
I agree that messages cross-posted to irrelevant newsgroups can be
annoying but many times a message is relevant to more than one group.
People asking questions want to get as wide a readership as possible
and if the message is related to all newsgroups posted to then
cross-posting is fine. In fact, that’s why the ability to cross-post
exists!
Cross-posting an article, rather than posting mulitple copies of an
article to related newsgroups one at a time, makes it possible for
your newsreader software to filter out those messages which you’ve
already seen and not display them a second time.
The problem is not with cross-posting per se but with the newsreaders
people are using. Of the few Unix based newsreaders I’ve used they’ve
all had the ability to suppress cross-posted messages I’d already
read. I now use a Windows based newsreader called (free)Agent because
the price is right and I like its interface. It doesn’t support
cross-post filtering (although the commercial version does) and I
accept that as one of the drawbacks to using it. My advice to anyone
who is annoyed by messages cross-posted to multiple groups is to get a
better newsreader or silently suffer (like I do).
Cross-posting is a legitament and accepted use of Usenet when the
message is sent to relevant groups. It provides a wider readership
and helps out those people whose internet service providers don’t
provide a wide range of newsgroups. Cross-posting shouldn’t be
causing anyone any heartache. If it is then those people should get a
better newsreader!
C.
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